Counting Cousins....drama! drama! drama!

As a genealogist, I find it interesting when someone wants to make themselves "family" and they are not.

These are Emanuel H. Saltiel's descendants:

His son, John, had 2 sons by his first marriage.  Neither of them had children.  John changed his surname to Taman and had a son, Osborn Taman.   That son was not named Saltiel.

His son, Henry, never had any children.

Thus, the only grandson's of E. H. Saltiel that had the surname "Saltiel" were Earl and Clarence Saltiel.  Both of these men are deceased.  There are no more male's named Saltiel that descend from this E. H. Saltiel.

Why is this an issue?  A few years back, Denver University prepared a DVD on Cotopaxi.  In it, a gentleman who lives in London with the surname "Saltiel" , said that he was a descendant of Emanuel Saltiel.  That video can be purchased online at Denver University.  When it was introduced at a meeting, it was said that this "London" Saltiel is a grandson of Emanuel Saltiel."  When I questioned that relationship I was told "well, we are all related!"

In numerous online articles he purports to be a descendant of E. H. Saltiel.

The closest possible relationship between  the "London" Saltiel and E. H. Saltiel would be 3rd cousin, 4 times removed.  That means that "London's" great, great, grandfather was a THIRD cousin to E. H. Saltiel.  So "London" would have to go back a total of 8 generations to find a common grandfather.  E. H. Saltiel (who was at Cotopaxi) was not his ancestor at all.

If you have ever wondered how to count cousins - here is an example of what is known as a "cousins" ladder":

While Abraham and David are 1st cousins, Abraham and Isaac would be 1st cousins once removed.   Abraham and Isaac's son Elias would be 1st cousins twice removed and so on.

The "London" Saltiel was never a descendant of the Emanuel Saltiel who lived in Cotopaxi.  However, if you look at the chart above, you will see that his biological grandfather's name is a  Emanuel Saltiel.  It's just a different Emanuel Saltiel, one born in 1880.  So when "London" Saltiel says that he descends from Emanuel Saltiel, he is telling the absolute truth.  It's just a completely different Emanuel Saltiel.

To compound matters farther....the line on the left, above,  is known as the Yomtov Line, and their DNA tracks as haplogroup R-m26.

The line on the right is known as the Amsterdam or North Sea Line and their DNA tracks as G-M201.   Two separate DNA lines. I will do a blogpost on DNA in the future, but you cannot descend from the same identical ancestor and have different DNA.  Simply not possible.

There are DNA websites that explain this....and there are websites showing these family trees I've posted above.  It's all in the public domain.

Still, to this very day,  the "London" Saltiel states that he is a descendant of Emanuel Saltiel in an attempt to make you think it was the Emanuel who was at Cotopaxi!!  .

Oh! The importance of genealogy!!!

Update:  Here is the link to the DNA blog where I show that these 2 lines would have to go back 500 to 1000 generations to find a common ancestor.  They are not  3rd cousins 4x removed at all.  There is no cousin relationship to speak of. Someone has "made up" the family tree connection above as DNA proves this is not a possible connection.

Yomtob Saltiel CANNOT be a brother to Ben Elias Isaac Saltiel.  If they were brothers, their male descendants with the Saltiel name would HAVE to have the same DNA....and they do not.  Again, this is proof that someone "decided" that they were brothers....and they are not.

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